Friday, January 8, 2010

Will there be ice hockey at Citi Field?

Will there be ice hockey at Citi Field?

That's tough to say. Jeff Wilpon wants it and has told the NHL "that the Mets are ready, willing and able to host it at Citi Field". I think a lot of fans want it. Does the NHL want it? Is it the best place to stage an outdoor hockey game in the NYC area? It sounds like the NHL is going to figure this one out.

Let's break down the different venues for staging this event in the NYC area.
  1. (the soon to be opened) Giants Stadium - It's certainly a top venue in the area to hold this event. But the logistics would stand in the way. 2 teams play there, so in 17 weeks, there's 16 games. If the NFL starts is season on the weekend after Labor Day, which they've done for the past several years, then the season would start September 9 & 12 and it would end January 2. The Winter Classic is played on January 1. The NHL needs to be in the venue "by Dec. 23 in order to get the rink assembled in time for a New Year’s Day game". And I don't think it could be torn down and the field readied for football in 24 hours time, so that pretty much means 2 Sundays without football at Giants Stadium to make this work. The NFL would need to schedule both teams home one week during the season (certainly possible with a Thursday night game), and have both on the road for 2 weeks to end the season.

    Now, let's say they do all that. The NHL would have a tough time justifying having any team other than the New Jersey Devils as the home team. The Devils are interested in playing. A Devils-Rangers game would seem natural, and this is a stadium that plays host to two teams called "New York", so it would be hard keeping the Rangers out. But I know that the NHL's TV partner, NBC, is deathly afraid of the Devils. They're like a small market team, and the NHL wouldn't risk that in a big event. They want the Rangers. But they wouldn't have 2 teams from the same market playing each other.

    Bottom line - A logistical problem for Giants Stadium and the NFL, and another one for the NHL and NBC. The Giants Stadium problem will be the one to prevent the game from being played. But if they can work it out, how about playing two - one Devils home game and one Rangers home game, and bring in 2 opposing teams. Worth a thought.

    The NFL schedule comes out in April. If we see something funny with Jets and Giants road games ending the season, we'll know that something's up, even if the NHL sits on the news until the summer when their schedule comes out. But I just don't think it will happen.

  2. the new (some call it "fake") Yankee Stadium - I think the NHL would love it. Rangers vs. Montreal is the rumor I've heard. I'm a Devils fan and a Mets fan, but I'd go to the Bronx for this one.

    But Yankee Stadium is getting involved with College Football (the likes of Notre Dame, Army, Rutgers) and is almost signed on to have a College Bowl game the week after Christmas. That pretty much eliminates Yankee Stadium hosting an NHL game on New Year's Day. And this isn't the same place as the old Yankee Stadium, which had all the history.

    Bottom Line - Maybe they can work something out to push back the Bowl game by a year and play hockey instead. But it may be too late. Yankee Stadium may have to wait for the Bowl's contract to end before getting an NHL game.

  3. Citi Field - The Wilpon family, Mets ownership, have come out and said they'd be interested. They almost had a football game last November, so we know they're interested in things besides baseball. But I've read that the NHL doesn't think the venue is "sexy enough" for what they're looking for. I can't really see Citi Field in the same company as Wrigley Field and Fenway Park, but aside from the destructed Yankee Stadium, I don't see who else could go in that company. If you want the game in or near New York City, this may be the place.

    If it happens, I'll go. I'm sure a lot of you will too. Who would we see on the ice? Citi Field is in Queens, which is part of New York City (remember, New York City is more than just Manhattan), so the Rangers must be involved. But Queens is also part of the sandbar called Long Island, which has its own hockey team (for now). So the Islanders should be involved too. Again, the NHL's TV partner, NBC, doesn't want the low rated Islanders cluttering up their telecast (like the Devils, the Islanders are a small market team in the larget TV market), and they really don't want two teams from the same market playing in this contest, so someone may be complaining in the end.

    But let's play this out. How about a home-and-home matchup between the Rangers and Islanders? Keep the ice up all winter and let the Isles play a few games there after the New Year. Maybe move in full time (it's not quite the Lighthouse project). Do you think Howie Rose would get confused calling a hockey game from the same broadcast booth where he calls Mets games from? What about the NBA getting into the act and playing a New Year's night game at the Tennis Center for a Queens sports winter time doubleheader?

    Bottom Line - Having a game at Citi Field seems to me that it's the most likely scenario for NYC, but I'm just not sure who would be involved.

  4. Others: Hofstra Stadium (diagonally across the street from the Islanders' home on Long Island), Ichan Stadium (on Randall's Island), Red Bull Arena (a new soccer venue in Harrison, NJ, not far from the Devils' arena in Newark) - Well, if Citi Field wasn't "sexy enough", then we can pretty much cross these off the list too.

  5. What about Central Park? Don't they have a hockey rink? It would be a different type of venue to set up for an NHL game. Hmm...

With all that said, I'd love to be able to go to an outdoor hockey game and support the Devils, but a New Year's trip to Queens would be fun too. I would have loved to see hockey at Shea (I'm too young to even remember football at Shea). But I think Minnesota should be the next host. They have a new outdoor baseball stadium opening up in April to showcase, and they're crazy about their hockey (on the top with New England). It could be another case for College Hockey on the ballfield.


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Wednesday, January 6, 2010

The countdown to Pitchers and Catchers is on

From Adam Rubin, Brian Costa, David Lennon, Steve Popper, and Matt Cerrone comes official dates for Spring Training.

Pitchers and Catchers Report - Feb. 18, 2010
Physicals - Feb. 19, 2010
Jerry Manuel Media Availability - Feb. 19, 2010
Pitchers' first workout - Feb. 20, 2010
Position Players Report - Feb. 23, 2010
Physicals - Feb. 24, 2010
First Full-Squad Workout - Feb. 25, 2010
First game - March 2, 2010
I arrive in Florida - March 18, 2010
My first game in Port St. Lucie - March 19, 2010


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Monday, January 4, 2010

Oh Baby It's Cold Outside

Think warm thoughts....




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Tuesday, December 29, 2009

Saturday, December 19, 2009

How does this decade remember the Mets?

So, the decade of the 2000's, the first of the new millenium comes to a close in about 2 weeks. 10 seasons of New York Mets baseball.

How does this decade remember the Mets?

Without commentary, let me give you a season-by-season statistical recap.
2000: 94-68, 1 game back, 2nd place, Wild Card winners, NLDS winners, NL Champions
2001: 82-80, 6 games back, 3rd place
2002: 75-86, 26 1/2 games back, last/5th place
2003: 66-95, 34 1/2 games back, last/5th place
2004: 71-91, 25 games back, 4th place
2005: 83-79, 7 games back, tied 3rd/4th places
2006: 97-65, Division winners by 12 games, NLDS winners
2007: 88-74, 1 game back, 2nd place
2008: 89-73, 3 games back, 2nd place
2009: 70-92, 23 games back, 4th place

a total record of 815-803 with 6 seasons above .500. 1 Division title, 1 Wild Card, 2 NLDS series victories, and 1 NL championship, in 2 playoff appearances. 4 seasons where they finished over 20 games back of the division lead. And the 2 collapses.

So how do historians and fans look back on the past 10 seasons of New York Mets baseball?
- positively (the above .500 total record and a Division title and an NL pennant in 2 playoff appearances)
- negatively (4 seasons in the toilet and 2 collapses)


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Thursday, December 10, 2009

Exclusive - Mets get their Number 2 guy

The Mets have signed Sidd Finch. The 53 year old pitcher hasn't been seen since he announced his retirement on April 8, 1985. Scouts in Port St. Lucie say he has lost a bit of zip on his fastball, only down to 95 mph. He still projects to be the Mets #2 starter in 2010.


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Tuesday, December 1, 2009

Opinion revisited - A Pattern of Bad Behavior

I'm re-posting this opinion that I shared earlier this year. I wanted to get this out there for discussion before we get too far into the free agency period and Winter Meetings. I've also tweaked some of the wording after sleeping on it for a few months and discussing it with a few people in the meantime.


The Mets are in a bit of a tailspin, and I'm not surprised by it. This fits into a loose pattern, and I can only go by what I lived through as a fan starting with the 1987 season.
  • After the Mets lost in the 1988 NLCS to the Dodgers, the team started to slide the next season. It was a series they should have won, and after it, things got really bad for a few seasons. It really wasn't until Bobby Valentine was hired as manager and Steve Phillips came in as GM before things turned around.
  • After the Mets lost Game 1 of the 2000 World Series to the Yankees, the team started to slide the next season. They shouldn't have won the series, but they shouldn't have lost that first game either. They really really had a chance to win and let it get away. Then things got bad. It wasn't until Omar Minaya and Willie Randolph came in to save the franchise that things turned around.
  • After the Mets lost Game 7 of the 2006 NLCS to the Cardinals, the team started to slide. We all remember the 7 game lead with 17 to play in 2007, and the bullpen collapse of 2008. 2009 was just the next paragraph in that story. 2010 probably will be too.

You can pinpoint moments in 1988 (Kirk Gibson in game 4 of the NLCS), 2000 (mental mistakes that I have partially blocked out of my consciousness in game 1 of the WS), and 2006 (not scoring after the Chavez catch in game 7 of the NLCS).

You can see the parallels and patterns - sliding from 1989 to the "world team money could buy" in 1992 and rebounding around 1995/1996; sliding from 2001 to the Art Howe era ending in 2004 and rebounding in 2005; sliding from September 2007 into 2008 and falling fast in 2009.

By comparison, Atlanta won their division every year from 1991-1993 and 1995-2005. They failed in the playoffs many times, got back up, and were right back the next year. The Phillies have been in 3 years in a row, built up from 2007 to 2008 to win it all. The Mets aren't in the same class as those teams are/were.

Now I know that the players weren't around for all of these slides. Most were only around for one. It's not necessarily them. It's the culture. What they built up with Frank Cashen was great (maybe he's a candidate for the Mets Hall of Fame). But once things started to get away from them, that was it. Even a broken clock it right twice a day. That probably best explains most of their success in the last 20 years.

Looking towards 2010 and the free agent market, I just don't see the Mets making a big move and spending the money, and even if they do, I don't see them being one player away from turning things around. They just weren't good in 2009 and showed a severe lack of depth. That can't be fixed by one player.

It ain't pretty. I can see why Fred & Jeff Wilpon want to ignore this history, but they're doomed to repeat it.

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